@Cornlips 4 i did. edit: i think i am the 500th person to reply since i was gonna reply to them again saying thanks but it said it was on the max replies

Ok son

Well I am pretty happy for u there are only 6k dislikes so seems like many Stans didn't watch this video I guess they don't want any source of information after dream's response

Pog

@Heavenburst why? Thats dumb why would you wait untill we know the answer to reveal the answer?? Is it a test?

@Yoshi The Bear yea it's been like some weeks.

He actually deleted his response video if you didn’t know

Ikr roleplay is so crinj

If there is no luck there will be no competition very very fast

There is a category like that but most people like the rush they get from a good run.

ho's Boogie2988?

Probability calculation is hard and it will require you to understand a lot about the chances and more but I don't think most people here know it properly so ya you might be mistaken

Your probably just mistaken or miscounting.

U made me laugh i have to admit it

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 idk petezahut and fruit berries too well but i think technoblade is debatable. Pvp he probably has the edge but dream would destroy him in a speedrun for obvious reasons.

A few examples: technoblade fruitberries petezahutt I don’t know anyone else I don’t watch that much mc yters :(

@Counter Tech now that's fax

k

i’ve seen a lot of people better than dream

Will he make a 5 hunter next time XD

The manhunts are really boring now

It's okay to like his content, since it is entertaining. You can totally think his content is good while still recognizing that he cheated in his speedruns

yeah being staged doesn't make things less fun

The speedruns however where submitted to the leaderboards but yes the manhunts are entertaining

Because he lied to a bunch of kids and lied about breaking a recod

basically it's like this: A computer play minecraft with all possibilities existed and none of them reach near Dream's luck because Dream change the drop rate

He is stealing oppurtunities from others to get a higher place on the speedrun leaderboard.

Because he tried to submit a cheated run to the leaderboards AND he responded terribly

It's the same reason an athlete taking steroids in order to win at the Olympics matters. Because it gets in the way of people who legitimately got their skill and talent and medals.

it definitely is one of the biggest out there, not because of the fact he cheated but that he was an absolute piece of shit about it, insulting the mods and using his fans as a weapon against them

@Gaming Geckos these people are very ignorant

@Jellyfesh I _did_ give some examples, and I couldn’t find a way to make my comment any shorter. I don’t _want_ my comments to be long.

@Gaming Geckos longer comments doesn’t make you smarter

@Gaming Geckos lol give an example

Also Joan ginther is kind of a unique situation as she was a mathematician purposefully gaming the system

@Jonah Clements Since the situation isn't of similar context, I have no scenario comparison of comparable luck happening to an individual. This and the coding anomaly leads me to believe that Dream cheated.

She won 4 scratch tickets in her lifetime. But each and every attempt in a period of 6 streams, Dream had that luck consistently. So it's not the same.

Yeah, the raw odds are similar but there are significant differences. The first is the number of people playing the lottery is massive, in the 100’s of millions vs the maybe 1000 active players in the mc 1.16 community. Then you have to consider that most of those players will buy more tickets than runners will do 24 hours worth of streaming. Then you have to consider that Joan likely bought thousands of tickets to get those 4 and dream only did 2 runs of streams and his second run of 6 got that level of luck. Overall the chances of getting a lottery winner with these odds is a lot more likely than Dream pulling off his run.

The luck capacity probably doesn't exist

@Louiepikmin3 Ikr.

It's very possible for something insanely rare to happen. But for it to happen so consistently is just a big red flag

Well put

*vheat*

The thing is, he didn't just get insanely lucky once or twice. He had abnormally high luck consistently throughout a total of 24 hours. If it was one insane run, I'd believe it. But the fact that it happened consistently means something is most likely wrong

His odds are 1 in 20 sextillion, which is so absurdly small that it's really the only evidence you need to say that he cheated. I'd recommend Stand up Maths video if you haven't watched it already since it goes into great detail about everything.

@Lu_ne Yep it just sits down and dies for literally a stupid reason

And apparently the moobloom could've changed farming, which would've been such a huge change. I was team moobloom all the way, but I would've been fine with either, as long as it wasn't a mob that had little to no idea outside of things that could've been used with other items

@Blank ikr glow squid does nothing cool other than the item frame glow up

@Lu_ne I just wanted a more colorful Minecraft with the moobloom

give me the flower cow :(

@Muhammad Soleh lol yeah

Also Dream when Stans Hunter duplicated themselves: *Imma private my response*

Tiananmen square all over again

@Muhammad Soleh thanks

@Zack Lepplin cool

@Muhammad Soleh I found three and shiny one

@Muhammad Solehthe chance of finding two spinda alone is over 4 billion

@Muhammad Soleh I did the math it’s 3.24519 to the 32cd power

Nope dream cheated

IDGAF about a apology bruh.

where

Where

really? where? I can't find it anywhere.

what video ?

@september but yeah. I know dreams odd are ridiculous and understand that. I was just sharing an experience where I had insane luck where I had a 20% drop rate on 3% drop rate item.

@september yes. Even with my item discovery symbol of avarice, rusted coins and the ring the drop rate is like 3%. Normally its like 1%. I know people who farmed POCK for literally weeks and with the same set up and only got like 5 of that covenant item

were you wearing any rings/mimic helmet that might’ve improved your odds? but this is more like if you played dark souls 11 times and got those results as an average across all those playthroughs if dream just had 1 run where he got an exceptional amount of pearl trades, no one would accuse him of cheating. the reason the odds are so low is because it happened over the course of many runs.

Itssss calllledd do you know the word "simulations"

someone didn’t watch the video 👀 fucking dream stan

I got 11 blaze rods out of 12 blazes "Its just luck" -Dream 2020

let me put the "luck" into perspective, Let's say there are 10 billion humans on earth, each on of them completed the sequence of 6 streams within a second, without sleeping without breaks just every single second they'd bang out these 6 streams, they'd need to do that for 100 thousand years such that one of them got a sequence of runs as lucky or luckier than dream. ok? this isn't "luck" those are astronomical odds.

@KingChicken shit

@DIE TRASH it's called perspective, you're watching the pov of dream but the hunters don't know dream's hp

@Outcastsage9033 when dream is on half a heart, the hunters run away. The hunters are just noons too

@Outcastsage9033 lol dreams runs are scripted and fake

@Outcastsage9033 so pretty much the hunters are noobs then. They literally get baited super easily with the traps that dream does. They also suck at pvp

​@Aaron Loesch 'nobody crafts invisible pots' *well do people in speed runs have 3-4 players attempting to hunt them down?* 'Neither do you take exactly 3 boats with you to the nether just in case you need to jump 15 blocks of lava' *Well you most likely would consider it if 3 people had enchanted amour/weapons and have the intent of killing you*

Abhigyan Dutta True. If I was trying to prove something I’d need much more data.

That is not the correct way though. You can't really use such a small sample size

thats literally not how it works in the slightest

You clearly know nothing about minecraft. The number of eyes in the portal is dependant on the seed, which isn't something you can change. What you can change, however, are drop rates of different items

You do know that the amount of eyes of ender in the portal is based off the seed itself, right?

dude go to school goddamn

That’s not how that works, that’s not how any of this works.

Nah his fans would believe it and they'd just defend it

Fact

@S𒈙𒐪C𒈙𒐪A𒈙𒐪𒈙𒐪R𒈙L𒐪E𒈙T𒈙K𒐪I𒈙N𒐪G𒈙W𒐪I𒈙L𒐪L𒈙R𒐪I𒈙S𒐪E𒈙!𒐪! another unverified user I don’t know

Another verified EElongr I don't know

Yessir

I sorted by newest and didnt find stans, only people very high above the iq of "DREAM STAN / 9 Y/O"

I sorted the comment to newest first to find your comment

"I don't care but I will still comment that I don't so I get attention"

Then why are you here?

@LiteThing he got bertayed by his own astro lol

Yes the math matician changed his mind and redid his math. So dream didnt want to spread false info i assume

Yes

I don’t know about it being impossible, but it’s ridiculously unlikely. Are you saying that he actually got a 1/7.5 trillion chance legitimately? Even dream himself says that if the odds are 1/7.5 trillion then he definitely cheated. He only argues that the math is wrong, when it’s not. Dream mathematician calculated 1/100 million odds, and still says that that provides very strong evidence that dream cheated. Dream also says that with 1/100 mil odds that the most reasonable conclusion was that he cheated. Anyway, if you want to argue with dream and his PhD man, despite trying to be on their side, then consider this. “The odds are low but never zero” you say. There’s an old joke that “the odds of Shaquille O’Neal hunting you down are low... but never zero”. Do you ever check behind you for Shaq? No of course not, but there’s a chance. There’s also a chance that the next time you go outside a 10 mile wide meteor hits you. Again there’s a chance but do you ever even think about that. Maybe your parents are evil robot spies sent from another galaxy. There’s a chance. No one legitimately considers these things, just like no logical person considers that dream legitimately got his odds. He cheated.

His luck is impossible in the game codes.

lmao imagine cheating in a block game and stealing chances for others to be on the leaderboard.

@Kiblord Are you dumb or illiterate I know that's the point my comments in this thread make.

He never actually said that it was mathematically impossible.

@Omiko Lomsadze "for all intents and purposes mathematically impossible" so he didnt say the rates were mathematically impossible... whats your problem here? Sure if you strip away all context he would be wrong but listening to the clip everything Karl said is correct, Dreams luck was for all intents and purposes mathematically impossible.

@morbideddie 20:25 and im not trying to be controversial here, im just mad at the words "mathematically impossible" when it comes to rates and such

When did he say that the drop rates were mathematically impossible?

This is an overused dumb comment

Wow this is the funniest most original comment I’ve ever heard

Source: just trust me bro

not funny anymore

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 false statement

@Buttery Peanut meaning it isn’t possible

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 thanks for telling us what we already know

@Buttery Peanut 1 in 20 sextillion is waaaaaaay two little to even get multiple times. 1 sextillion is already 21 zeros

@Buttery Peanut again possible =/= feasible

I hate the fact that he tries to debunk anyone that says they're fake and then ends up getting that person sent tons of hate, and then there's all those videos about it that are something along the lines of "Dream just DESTROYED Manhunt Accusations..." even though they're obviously fake.

@Eiennai / I know. I wish Dream didn't have to keep claiming they are magically spontaneous. I remember watching some rando's analysis of the manhunt videos to see if they're staged, and Dream's "response" video where he "owned" the first guy. Distasteful.

Of course they are, but that's no biggie, most entertainment is staged, you would need to have some god tier entertainment skills to spontaneously make amazing streams/videos every single time. Not even the best entertainers in the world can do that.

Even the fake odds that dream made up were 1 in 100 million. I have no idea where you got 1 in a million from

@J Heil H Uerta well dream deleted his response cause it got debunked on reddit so hard But if i say that stans will probably be scarred

Then why would he have deleted his response

@J Heil H Uerta Technically nothing is impossible, but that’s not a very good defense when your speed run is being investigated. There’s such a thing as “statistically impossible;” the chances aren’t 0, but it’s so incredibly unlikely that for all intents and purposes it’s impossible. Have you heard of Occam’s Razor? What’s more plausible of an answer: Dream beat a 1 in 7.5 TRILLION odds or he cheated to get a better time?

@J Heil H Uerta It's proven impossible in the game codes

@FishTaco it's not 100 hours it's 11 streams of about 2h each, 5 of which were investigated

@FishTaco also he didn’t seem so surprised about it he literally knows how to reset the code of Minecraft

@Trump Pence yeah that might be true but that was a one time thing, we are accounting his multiple stream witch is about 100 hours of gameplay

@Lil Hitler yep

@Max Davis idk when but a person found a rarer mob which featured a baby zombie villager riding a chicken with full enchanted diamond armor and an enchanted iron sword

Also, you could ride as many planes as it takes for 15 of them to crash before getting dreams odds

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 It was an assumption, If you're SO offended by it then sorry, It won't happen again, It's just that most dream stans say that same thing.

@monke saying he isn’t a noob or that he didn’t cheat makes me a Stan? Dream definitely faked his speedruns but he is still really good at some versions of pvp and he is insane at parkour too. Believing dream doesn’t cheat doesn’t automatically make me a stan either

@monke I literally said his manhunts are either fake or the hunters are noobs. I don’t stan dream at all I know his speedruns are fake

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 Okay you dreamy stan, Keep believing in the cheater like odds from 1 to 7 trillon are still possible. In game codes is impossible.

@Quiffle_squiffl 4456 Ok

good

Well Dream is the only one so far to have gotten these odds

Pseudo random generators of coding languages are probably written by experts which is used by game developers. So no mistakes in that one.

No. This is misleading. Although I don't watch speedruns most people probably assume 1-2 ender pearls will be there or they will find an enderman easily in the strong hold. Both of which didn't happen here, it is a calculated risk.

@Leonardo Van Gogh yeah that is the bad thing

cheating isnt the problem lol, could've just apologized, but instead he maniputed his fanbase and then also weaponized them against his exposers

This puts a bad name on the whole community. Hopefully more cheated runs don’t come out, as this has already led a lot of people to say stuff like: I mean, most runs are fake

@Abhigyan Dutta i know and i *fully* agree with you, using the good authority to cover up bad things is bad

Cheating isn't the problem. Herding his underage fans (and I pretty much know you are one, from the wording you use) is a big problem. You are not old enough to understand how bad of a thing this actually is. When you grow old and if a situation arises where you need to manipulate a child then you'll see how it jolts your conscience which dream clearly has none.

@Lil Hitler yea, he has matured a lot and move on

Drem changed hes a pretty chill guy i talked to him on discord But stans still atacking

@Good Door dude this is so true

@Arunabh Thakuria i wasn't talking just bout him, it was in general, i think i didint explain myself enough

@Matias Hueichao he is completely fine right now; not enough people actually care/too many people defend him for him to actually lose anything, what are you even talking about

@morbideddie ikr

Let’s be honest, there’s a massive difference between the kind of luck required to get a wr run and dreams luck, they aren’t even on the same planet. If you don’t think dream cheated you simply don’t understand just how crazy his odds were.

Every since the nether update people will always have suspicions about speed runs because of the new piglins. But I do think Dream cheated because his odds of those bartering trades are 59 in 20 sextillion

@The Destructive Gamer same

@Trump Pence even if techno was a speedrunner and he cheated, I'm pretty sure he would atleast admit it and come clean unlike dream

He doesn’t speedrun but still a good comment

Yeah

@YamiJustin ok

@Trump Pence well I wouldn’t even consider watching him unless he fessed up that’s just me tho

I’m a fan of dream not for haha he is but because I like his manhunt videos and the reason who got away with it was because of his 9 year old stans who can’t do math

@Cornysz yep

tbh idc about fake speedrunning, look at other dream's content (Minecraft, but ... ), it's very enjoyable to watch, even with his team like george etc. That's why his subs increase so fast.

Same

@Scottyboi SUS r/ihavereddit

Yeah Lloyd

@Scottyboi SUS r/screw you with your overused "r/woooosh"

@Scottyboi SUS that’s not what r/woosh means but ok

@Your Mother r/whoosh lmao

@ayyubstergold Great thanks for telling me and being so polite about it considering I'm not in this community, I think those should be mandatory because this is what happens when they're not.

@hahaha benis XDDD there are set seed speed runs you can watch you know.

Personally I think speedrunning is just kind of silly, but people are allowed to do it as pastime, but what Dream really did which wasn't bad is highlight the fact that the more competitive you get with this, the more likely people are going to cheat. MC needs more distinct criteria for speedrunning because what this cheat run highlights is that RNG can totally fuck up a run, and if 50% of your time is determined by RNG, then where's the skill factoring in? Honestly, I get his logic, what he was trying to do was to mitigate the luck based element of minecraft speedrunning to see where his raw skills could take him. That being said, he should have given more disclosure about this instead of trying to get an "official" time. I personally think that minecraft speedrunning is a complete farce if you don't have categories based on the seed and spawn point. The luck element in speedrunning is too much in minecraft and basically can turn an excellent display of skills and turn it into a wasted effort, this I think was his logic behind trying to mitigate the RNG, but yeah, shouldn't have branded a modded run as legit.

@Scottyboi SUS what did he do so wrong?

At least it shines light onto the possible ways one might cheat this speedrun. And his actions shouldnt be minimized

@tasen25 i guess dream stan community is just a bunch of shit 9 year olds but the Kpop stan community in my opinion is way worse because there music sucks first of all and they are just so weird and defensive of them

I liked dream's content before but then i quitted not only because he cheated but the entire MCYT Fandom just being idiotic and garbage it turned into those stupid Kpop Stans community, making tik toks and shipping them. This is just disgusting

@Trump Pence and that, is why the words "overrated" & "underrated" exist.

@just a guy oh I thought you were talking about his piglin drop rates. But yeah he gets like 100k subs everyday and I don’t know how he is this popular

@Trump Pence nah I'm serious. He's just like pewdiepie, he's overrated.

@LS so there is this man that uses a highly powerful box filled with rubber, metal, and many colors to play a game. The game is inside the box, and he uses a picture frame that’s painting changes 60 times a second to see the game. The game can be beaten just like a joust, but you have to defeat a dragon instead of another fighter. The man saves every painting inside of his box to take and put onto another place called twitch. The man tries to beat the game as fast as possible by starting a game, collecting beds that are in the game, going to the game’s version of hell to collect eyes of dead monsters by trading with gold obsessed human-like pigs, leaving hell, and going to another place called “the end” where the dragon resides. Beds will blow up in the end, so the man puts beds down near the dragon to explode the dragon. That is the end of the game, but somewhere along the line the man cheated. He went inside his box to change the game to give him better luck trading with the gold obsessed human-like pigs. The pigs don’t understand you when you say “give me monster eyes”, so you have to trade gold until you get eyes. People noticed that the guy got a lot of luck trading with the gold obsessed human-like pigs. They told him to stop in another place called Twitter, but he wouldn’t admit it.

@Abhigyan Dutta nah i was more talking about the video game/speed run/youtube part but thats interesting to know

If you are talking about the probability part, ironically the maths behind this was developed in 17-1800s by correspondence between 2 very well known mathematicians applied to gambling.

Lmao

@Vinegar I like him but I think he’s a lil scum bag for manipulating his fansbase

To be honest, I've just never liked him, always gave off a bad vibe, you know. I get some satisfaction from feeling somewhat vindicated here.

@Lil Hitler lmao

@Art Nugget I definitely agree, I don't care about dream's manhunts or speedruns, All i watch is the dream smp videos where either tommy, quackity or bbh appear, I don't get bothered if dream is there too.

@Trump Pence he manipulated fans his response got debunked on reddit

yeah it's private now, lol

@Re Covered yeah, but he never said he would delete is response video, lol

I think I heard something about in a deleted Twitter reply he confirmed he was guilty

"Im innocent"

He did, wow